Post by Paul CumminsPost by 71gbit fibre is same as 10gbit fibre so no difference there.
Its still around $2 per meter for hundred+ cores.
You've never shown us where you can buy fibre at these pries in the UK.
You are a paid internet trolling liar.
Post by Paul CumminsPost by 7Get 20km with $14 fibre modems.
Get 100km with $30 fibre modems.
You've never shown us where you can buy modems at these prices in the UK.
You are a paid internet trolling liar.
Post by Paul CumminsPost by 7And using a $1000 fusion splice joiner, you can join a fibre
with 0.01db loss in under 3 minutes and light it up in 10 minutes
You've never shown us where you can buy splicers at these prices in the
UK.
You are a paid internet trolling liar.
Post by Paul CumminsIn fact, your entire premise is based on foreign supplies at trade prices
in country, without considering import costs, employment costs etc etc.
I've tried very hard to explain how this all works, from my own industry
experience, having worked for Cix, Telewest, and others, and you seem
entirely resistant to Clue.
You've been criticised for this by a number of people, without rebuttal.
This makes you a troll and a liar. Hence you now end up in my killfile.
You are a paid internet trolling liar.
As such you must read the original pooost and weep profusely:
Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
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The answer is 10gbit fibre.
The reason is down to balancing the price difference with contention ratio
and future expansion.
1gbit fibre is same as 10gbit fibre so no difference there.
Its still around $2 per meter for hundred+ cores.
Get 20km with $14 fibre modems.
Get 100km with $30 fibre modems.
The difference between 1gbit fibre modem and 10gbit fibre modem is
not that great - about $20 for 10gbit fibre modem with 10km range.
Fibre install - don't allow Openroach to install it.
They are the thick shiites of the fibre installation industry.
First they install an empty tube. Then do a double install blow job
by blowing fibre. Then it takes several more site visits
to get the fibre lit. Minimum £500 per install. Most likely
£800 per install if shiit for investor value BT's (British Telecum)
Openroach engineers are doing the install.
Instead if BT and Openroach can be banned from your
premises together with their 10mbit reseller into government Offcum,
and you had fair access to the ducts,
you can do the fibre install yourself, it would take you at £2
per meter for fibre, next to no time installing 100+ fibres in one go.
And using a $1000 fusion splice joiner, you can join a fibre
with 0.01db loss in under 3 minutes and light it up in 10 minutes
if you have engineers at both ends that know what they
are doing. Your total cost including install, fibre modem, etc
would average out to less than £150 per install.
The routers for 1gbit is around $600, and climbs to $1000 for
10gbit routers because their back planes have to handle so
much more data.
You could probably build your own cheaper if you know
how to make it with FPGA.
After having done all that, with 1gbit, you can sell with 50:1
contention ratio, but with 10gbit you can sell 500:1 contention ratio.
But your costs are less than double while your customers
serviced increase 10 fold.
So the benefits of 10gbit installs outweigh the benefits of
provisioning 1gbit fibre internet.
When selling the internet, if you sell a 500:1 contention
ratio, many people would be fine with that
if that is what they want.
If the links on one line is not all being used but traffic is high from
one person, a proper router would simply auto rate
the person who has been using a lot of data,
and let others use the bandwidth when needed, and then when
those packets are serviced, up the data rate
for the higher bandwidth user - all done in milliseconds
with proper routers without having to have an infrastructure team that
costs a lot of money to employ - to then ring
up the high bandwidth user and tell them off, and write
all kinds of love letters to the user.
IT IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
IT IS ILLITERATE MANAGEMENT TROLLING THAT PUTS IN THESE
STRUCTURES - not technology.
The user has paid for 500:1 contention ratio line
and that is what he legally getting when
the router throttles back. And you don't need
to employ yet more people and rack up costs
to ring up your users and write love letters
to your users all day long.
So someone wanting 10:1 contention ratio can then
buy it if they want such a service.
All you would need to do is put that account
on a different router setting to give them more bandwidth
You would need buy routers with these proper software settings.
So everybody makes more money with greater education
and with fewer overheads and less aggravations all around.
Also 5G rollout is about to begin.
If you already provision 10gbit, you could win all
of those orders while BT (British Telecum) shiite for
investor value with their Openroach shiite double blow
job fibre installers charge £25,000 for a 10gbit link
and loose all their shiite customers.
BT (British Telecum) Openroach giving double blow jobs with fibre
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<blow> <blow> <blow> ... <job> <job> <job>!!
That is the sound of bhtee offcum openroach krone tool
master baiters installing fibre.
Double the price, half the productivity, half the efficiency,
and twice the manpower with Bhtee Openroach approach.
Openroach are already missed their own deadlines for rolling
out fibre.
The clue is here is that no one uses these out dated
practices except BT offcum openroach.
How low can these super thick management trolls get?
It cost about £1 to £2 per meter for a couple of hundred
core fibre. So why does BT openroach offcum trolls
install an empty fibre tube and then spend double time
blowing one fibre at a time through the empty tube
with a blow job?
May be they miss krone tool master bation and
now resort to giving customers blow jobs on site?
Double the time, double the effort, double the cost
and very few fibres get installed.
No one does this.
Everyone just installs once the 500+ fibre bundle cores
and leave plenty of spare capacity for cabling
up the rest of Brexshitting UK plc at a lower cost than
install tube and then fibre one fibre at a time.
The fsking p ricks at offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach
should be relieved of their franchise and exclusive
access to markets and ducts with immediate effect.
All the street ducts should be confiscated by an agnostic
body and charged according to per cm cross sectional
area. So if you install a empty tube 1cm cross section
to blow one fibre, you fsck yourself in the rear
when someone else installs a 1cm cable with 500 fibres
for the same price and connect up 500 more customers
than management trolls and their blow jobs ever will.
This kind of telecum malpractice means no one in the City
is ever going to connected with high speed fibre optic internet
because every tall rise building now needs something
as large as Eurotunnel to cable up with hollow tubes
and one fibre at a time being run through them with a blow job.
What a fskcing mess!!
Offconn's Bhtee Telecum fsckies have fsckied again
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/11/competition-tribunal-upholds-dark-fibre-uk-market-definitions-ruling.html
Brexshit is around the corner when we all need 10gbit internet
to every home to compete in the world and make money
butt, bhtee fsckies and bhtee fsckied insiders in offconn
have done it again.
"Ofcom’s flawed approach was unduly fixated on a ‘make do and mend’
strategy of squeezing economic value out of BT’s existing legacy network, "
WHAT THE *FSCK* DO OFFCONN THINK THEY ARE DOING?????????????
The *fscking* lot of them need to be sacked immediately!!!
They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* about with
UK telecom market and helping Bhtee.
They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* in courts
on behalf of Bhtee.
Political action required.
All the companies in the City and their global competitiveness
have been sold down the river because of
Bhtee and Offconn helping each other illegally.
Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social
media
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Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html
BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.
The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.
B4N has cabled up 20,000+ rural connection
and is offering down to £30 per month for 1gbit in rural
communities which shirt and tie fscktarts like VM and BT
(British Telecum) don't know how to cable up.
With the help of Offconn, these encumbants are charging
government £4000 per install when the actual costs
are below £250 per install for fibre.
There needs to be separate investigation with reps
from Gigaclear, Citifibre, Hyperoptic, B4RN etc
in the panel holding an parliamentary inquiry into
why the encumbants VM BT (British Telecum), Openroach
and Offconn have all been in it together to con
the UK government out of billions for services
they did not deliver.
I managed to install 1gbit pure fibre in the home for $41.15
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$12.11 30m fiber optic cable - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SM-SX-3mm-30M-9-125um-30-Meters-Fiber-Optic-Jumper-Cable-SC-UPC/32619865490.html
$29.04 2 x ethernet to fiber - media converter -
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-GS-03-A-B-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-1000Mbps-Single-Mode-Single-Fiber-SC/32450387383.html
30m of pure fibre - only one required as the fibre media converter
is bidirectional and operates at 1Gbits down the single cable.
The fibre is SC-SC connector.
The media converter has SC connector - connect only to
the TX (and ignore RX marked socket) on both transceivers with single
SC-SC connector.
Connect PC to one transceiver ethernet socket, and other transceiver to
the ethernet switch and hey presto, you got 30M fibre linked
optically! :)
It took me all of 3 minutes to get it operational! :)
If you tried to do this about a year or more ago,
you would be out of pocket by a couple of hundred quid.
Today you can do it for £30 - which is just unbelievable.
Cables 100m, 300m and 500m available to link
PCs in garden sheds or extensions back to the switch or
to a router.
If you are linking farm houses together, neighbours
together in a village or linking offices in
a compound together, the procedure is effortlessly
the same. If you can, make your own cables with a bit of practice:
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html
If you are linking together ethernet equipment on different
phases (such as large buildings, or multi-storey offices)
then fibre is the way to go to prevent electrical signals
between the different phases damaging equipment (because
the net voltage difference between the phases can be
415V instead of 240V, and all of that meets in your switch
or router or a PC which is terrible news if there is
a problem).
The world is changing - even though I got fibre in the
home, and live in London, there is nowhere to plug
it into on the street, while the rest of the country,
at least 3% of it has fibre, along with many cities,
for under £50 a month, but not London.
Its an absolute terrible crime what offconn has
done to London. They should hang their heads
in shame and go dunk themselves in river Thames.
Hopefully the replacements are pro-fiber and pure
fibre company directors with a vested interest
in ensuring their under £50 a month fibre companies
are cleared to expand into London at
maximum possible pace.
Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London
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Sacra bleau!
Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.
A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.
We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10%
of
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.
So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?
It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brexshitting and have to have this technology to be
competitive.
All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.
Angiewireless rolling out 10gbit fibre
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https://www.angiewireless.co.uk/your-city/
Bhtee VM Openroach all shiitting in their pants
and master baiting even faster with their
krone tool master bation nation tools.
These Bhtee VM Openroach and their racketeering
protection organization offconn don't use 1% of
a gigabit internet connection delivering their pone collection
traffic and teeveee looped box set collection traffic.
Most of this looped teevee is not even watched
because more than 50% of the people on the internet
prefer to watch youtube and the like :)
Bhtee has no understanding of this reality as they go all out
thieving pensioners to fund Bhtee teevee,
and VM even less charging more every day for content
that is unwatchable with nearly 30 minutes of ads per
30 minutes of looped videos. Its easier to watch youtube :)
And gigabit fibre upload speeds are same as download speeds
because its a hundred times cheaper to do it that way,
which means streaming your work for millions to watch
or uploading content in a fraction of the time compared
to Bhtee VM networks that takes several hours to upload a video.
So what are they to do with 10gbit fibre companies
that have already achieved massive roll out
across the globe?
Are they going to sell all their assets
and be the 0.1% customers of these 10gbit companies now?
They have no choice but to sell their phone copper network
and teevee cable network for scrap and become the 0.1% customers
of 10gbit fibre companies.
Fibre costs 100th the price to lay down because their
ducts can be buried 200mm to 1m below the surface.
These ducts don't need strength as there is no electricity,
gas, water or sewage that can spill out if they got dug up
which requires strong ducts to be erected.
A small team can lay 2km of fibre network every day.
The cost of cabling up the entire UK is £6.5 billion,
and revenues first year is £15 billion minimum,
enough to pay it all back.
The retail costs of equipment now ridiculously low (wholesale cheaper):
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html
If you send your buyers to China and source all the kit directly,
you can get it much cheaper by the container load.
Your container may cost £2000, but you can bring across £200,000 pounds
worth of stuff
and be making £1 million by the end of a few months.
The only things that hold everyone back is the local councils that
are hell bent pricks on wheels catering to offconn, bhtee and VM interest
and requiring 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre.
If you elect to get rid of them and replace it with
fibre friendly councillors in elections 2 months, then
who knows, you could have gigabit symmetric fibre before the
end of the year :)
70% of UK businesses and farms are worried about not getting
fibre into their premises. Bhttee offconn VM Openroach have
no plans to deliver £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre to the home by 2020
despite 3% of UK households having it wired by non encumbants
like Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN, Cityfibre, Angiewireless and so on.
So smart alecs with businesses to run and employees to pay
need to push out the unfriendly types from government
and councils and get their fibre friendly councillors into office asap.
Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices
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Not.
So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_WebShite.com web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the
routers yourself from FPGA and scale up
rapidly
by building copies of own boards.
Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.
Examples of what can be done:
https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/
https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga
IoD calls for 10Gbit fibre
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35681475
Anyone can get into fibre as the trenches are shallow (less than 1m deep)
and carry no electricity - farmer's wifey has done it! :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37974267
Farmer's wifey runs pure fibre.
And delivers 1 gigabit fibre symmetric DSL with equal upload and download
speeds
at prices around 30 pounds per month. Bhtee and VM are choking on it and
master baiting
with their krone tools as fast as they can.
So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service when we
know their
equipment costs are next to nothing now.
They need to pay all the customers this money back because it is illegal
to overcharge and kidnap all that money to fund subsidies for bhtee teevee
which they have been doing illegally for a long time.
Bhtee and VM can't even use 1% of the capacity with their teeevee and phone
services.
They could instead ask B4RN to install gigabit fibre for them and become
their 1% customer and still everyone will make money.
So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service, they
need to be told it must reflect costs as described above,
and any overcharging should be treated like PPI mis-selling
and needs to be paid back to customer from investor profit.
The regulators are in cahoots with Bhtee VM and should be got rid of
and replaced by pure fibre companies and reps.
It could be at least 10 years before bhteee and vm pay back
their over charged customers.
With real prices out in the open for FTTP kit, anyone can
go buy the kit and start laying fibre and make their own
companies. The only way to encourage startups is to deregulate.
With such low FTTP equipment costs,
its not difficult to see why companies like
Talk Talk is investing 5 million pounds
in Yorkshire to wire up 20,000 homes.
Revenue is easily 1 million pounds a month.
Everything paid for in under a year potentially.
Bhtee VM fails 2020 open market review
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Bhtee and VM fail 2020 open market review to deliver
1Gbit symmetric DSL fibre to premises FTTP for £50 in a test
of free market.
By year 2020 no one in Bhtee or VM will deliver FTTP service
in UK at £50 per month.
This is despite Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN and many others
delivering 2% of UK infrastructure on 1Gbit symmetric DSL FTTP today.
Councils in England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland warned
not to deal with Bhtee and VM roping them into expensive out
dated technology being peddled by the likes of VM and Bhtee
that are thin on facts and loose on professional delivery.
Local council and government funding should be given priority
to gigabit pure fibre optic companies delivering minimum 1gbit FTTP
symmetric DSL services capped at 50 pounds retail, noting the average
service provider is able to deliver it at under £30 per month.
All tax payer funding to the likes of Bhttee and VM should be stopped
immediately in favour of pure fibre companies.
The market is expected to be dominated by fibre
companies installing fibre in 1 meter shallow dug plastic pipes
as they don't carry electric cables which would otherwise require
deeper tunnels and stronger ducts causing extensive disruption.
Cumpanies like Bhtee and VM that use less than 1% of the internet
with their telephony and teevee data would become the 1% customers
of the new fibre companies.
Local councils and regulators should pressure Bhtee and VM to remove all
their unnecessary copper from their ducts with incentives such as fines
and sell it for scrap and recycling, and switch to using pure fibre
providers to deliver their services to UK customers.