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No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
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2017-12-26 12:19:18 UTC
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No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
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There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.

But BT (British Telecum) shiite investors, Pusnet, Openroach, Ski, Offcum et al,
all valued share holders in BT shiite for investor values
are only installing copper services at 20x expense.

The entire UK is run on fibre infrastructure.

At $14 per fibre modem, fibre is cheaper compared
to 20x more expensive copper equipment.

So why is BT shiite telecum investing in copper?

And why is openroach doing double blow jobs on
customer premises?

At $2 per meter for fibre optical cable with
several hundred cores, it is cheaper to install
fibre once, terminate and provision the service in one visit.

Instead openroach installs an empty tube in the time
it takes to install one fibre. And then spends double
time blowing fibre down empty tubes. That takes
double time and more space in the ducts than simply
cabling up once with several hundred fibres like
everyone else, terminating and lighting up
the cable from end to end on the same day.
But openroach project managers don't know how to do
that. Its takes two guys to cable, two guys to blow
fibres, several guys to terminate, test, liven,
and multiple visits to get it going.

To retrain all 33,000 openroach telecum engineers
to install fibre will take decades for brexshit plc.

The market for ducts is disfunctional.
Its better to confiscate all the ducts and give
it to an agnostic body that will charge according
to space usage. So if openroach install an empty
tube and blow one fibre into it with their
super thick management shiites running the show,
they will have to pay same cost as a startup installing several
hundred cores and charging customers a fraction of
the install cost.

Soon internet is to be right - not a luxury.
If it is to be a right, then you should be able to hire
your own cabler to install the cheapest
and approved fibre cable for you,
and then bill the duct owners which would then
have to be paid for by the ISPs equally.
That way monopoly double blow job openroach
won't have any business worth keeping their
engineers for. They can all migrate to the new
startups and be retrained more quickly to
more efficiently install fibre and get it working
on the same day as the install date.
BurfordTJustice
2017-12-26 12:23:59 UTC
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Stay in school little gay drug boi.


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2017-12-26 12:27:24 UTC
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No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
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There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.

But BT (British Telecum) shiite investors, Pusnet, Openroach, Ski, Offcum et al,
all valued share holders in BT shiite for investor values
are only installing copper services at 20x expense.

The entire UK is run on fibre infrastructure.

At $14 per fibre modem, fibre is cheaper compared
to 20x more expensive copper equipment.

So why is BT shiite telecum investing in copper?

And why is openroach doing double blow jobs on
customer premises?

At $2 per meter for fibre optical cable with
several hundred cores, it is cheaper to install
fibre once, terminate and provision the service in one visit.

Instead openroach installs an empty tube in the time
it takes to install one fibre. And then spends double
time blowing fibre down empty tubes. That takes
double time and more space in the ducts than simply
cabling up once with several hundred fibres like
everyone else, terminating and lighting up
the cable from end to end on the same day.
But openroach project managers don't know how to do
that. Its takes two guys to cable, two guys to blow
fibres, several guys to terminate, test, liven,
and multiple visits to get it going.

To retrain all 33,000 openroach telecum engineers
to install fibre will take decades for brexshit plc.

The market for ducts is disfunctional.
Its better to confiscate all the ducts and give
it to an agnostic body that will charge according
to space usage. So if openroach install an empty
tube and blow one fibre into it with their
super thick management shiites running the show,
they will have to pay same cost as a startup installing several
hundred cores and charging customers a fraction of
the install cost.

Soon internet is to be right - not a luxury.
If it is to be a right, then you should be able to hire
your own cabler to install the cheapest
and approved fibre cable for you,
and then bill the duct owners which would then
have to be paid for by the ISPs equally.
That way monopoly double blow job openroach
won't have any business worth keeping their
engineers for. They can all migrate to the new
startups and be retrained more quickly to
more efficiently install fibre and get it working
on the same day as the install date.



BT (British Telecum) Openroach giving double blow jobs with fibre
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<blow> <blow> <blow> ... <job> <job> <job>!!

That is the sound of bhtee offcum openroach krone tool
master baiters installing fibre.

Double the price, half the productivity, half the efficiency,
and twice the manpower with Bhtee Openroach approach.

Openroach are already missed their own deadlines for rolling
out fibre.

The clue is here is that no one uses these out dated
practices except BT offcum openroach.

How low can these super thick management trolls get?

It cost about £1 to £2 per meter for a couple of hundred
core fibre. So why does BT openroach offcum trolls
install an empty fibre tube and then spend double time
blowing one fibre at a time through the empty tube
with a blow job?

May be they miss krone tool master bation and
now resort to giving customers blow jobs on site?

Double the time, double the effort, double the cost
and very few fibres get installed.

No one does this.

Everyone just installs once the 500+ fibre bundle cores
and leave plenty of spare capacity for cabling
up the rest of Brexshitting UK plc at a lower cost than
install tube and then fibre one fibre at a time.

The fsking p ricks at offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach
should be relieved of their franchise and exclusive
access to markets and ducts with immediate effect.

All the street ducts should be confiscated by an agnostic
body and charged according to per cm cross sectional
area. So if you install a empty tube 1cm cross section
to blow one fibre, you fsck yourself in the rear
when someone else installs a 1cm cable with 500 fibres
for the same price and connect up 500 more customers
than management trolls and their blow jobs ever will.

This kind of telecum malpractice means no one in the City
is ever going to connected with high speed fibre optic internet
because every tall rise building now needs something
as large as Eurotunnel to cable up with hollow tubes
and one fibre at a time being run through them with a blow job.

What a fskcing mess!!



Offcum BT bins all Mobile Ads costing hundreds of millions
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Offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM et al
bins Mobile Ads costing hundreds of millions of dollars to
make because there aren't any mobile masts to distribute
these ads to mobile phone users while they are travelling
in trains, buses, underground tube, taxis etc.

Transpurt for Londonistan is proud telling Christmas shoppers
and foreign visitors to go and stuff it as customers
see connection lost signals
and buffering rings go round and round and round..

In China no such problem which leaves all China tourists bemused
as to why UK has become such a third rate stone age country.

Transpurt for Londinistan can't afford the £6000 install fee for fibre
and 6000 pound per annum fee for each and every *FSCKING* fibre
while companies like B4RN, Hyperoptic etc are charging under
£50 per month for the same 1 gbit fibre service.

The Mayor of Londinistan is wahahahaking off about Boris
when he should be whahahahanking off about BT, Offcum, Openroach
et al who collectively between them has left Londinistan
as the most disconnected city in the world with no pure fibre network.

Even in near third world countries like China, there is no
disconnection as you travel inside big buildings, go into
the underground, travel the tubes, and take overground trains
and travel hundreds of miles.

Even Paris, Londonistani's closest competitor has full fibre
for all its 2 million residents.

Offcum needs to be broken up because the City's
PSD2 is not happening either because again there
are no mobile phone masts and fibre connections to fibre
routers available despite bwanks spending billions getting
it ready and dozens of start ups are spending all their money to make
it all work on mobile phone apps.

Come Christmas, Boxing Day shopping, and New Year shopping,
all the ads that are meant to be delivered to Brexshitting mobile users
will not be delivered while connections are lost 2 hours of the day
average and buffering rings go round and round for millions
of customers for average 2 hours a day while they sit in
buses, taxis, underground tube and trains trying to place orders.

The problem is unfixable for Christmas in 4 weeks time.

Lost sales and ad revenue is going to be in the billions for this
coming Christmas - far more than cost of sacking
the lot at Offcum and replacing it with full fibre directors from B4RN,
Hyperoptic, Cityfibre etc.




Offcum BT lose 1 billion Black Friday sales for retailers
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Offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM et al lose 1 billion of
Black Friday sales for retailers.

Retailers are saying *FSCKING* thanks a lot to the telecum retards.

A lot of people sat 2 or more hours today watching
connection lost, and buffering rings going round and round and round
in tubes, trains, and buses wondering why they can't click on
a simple bargain order while in China you can do this on moving trains,
moving underground tube trains, on buses in towns and villages
and anywhere else where there is civilization.

All the Lards Ladies Pooliticians doing the

1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly

routine in UK could not deregulate and abolish Offcum
to save Black Friday. Being comatozed on

1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly

routines, they have no incentive to change anything when
country is sinking to lowest ever productivity and instead
parade themselves on camera for attention talking
up Brexshit according to what their hallucinations tell
them is important. So expect all of Christmas and New Year
to be spent watching more connection lost and buffering rings
going round and round and round thanks to the pooliticians.

While Oxford street gets the full anti-terror treatment today,
there are not enough cameras to relay the signals
because it all requires fibre optic signals and at £6000 install
fee + £6000 per annum for line rental it ain't
gonna make security happen. At least not according to offcum.
Not even while B4RN, Hyperoptic, Citifibre etc are installing
1 gibit fibre for under £50 a month and have cabled up 800,000+
homes already including the most remote villages and houses
by B4RN for £30 a month for 1gbit fibre.

PSD2 is not happening either because it requires a lot of
mobile phone masts connected with fibre to fibre optic routers.
Which ain't gonna happen at £6000 per install and £6000 per
annum fake fees. So billions being spent by the bwanks and all
the startup companies into new PSD2 services and apps will
not be getting any new mobile customers using it.

The fake fibre epidemic gripping UK is driven by Offcum regulator
that allows people to be conned by BT VM Openroach Pusnet Ski
into believing they got
the best when in reality they got fake fibre.

A gamer buying £1000 gaming card, and £2000
OLED monitor and £1500 gaming PC to play games ain't gonna
get anything more serious than buffering rings going round and
round and round.. They gonna lose their game to some retard in
Paris or near third world country like Portugal where
it is all fibre running 1 gbit easy.




PSD2 - BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach sez FSCKIT you ain't having it
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This fsckit and you ain't havin it management troll approach to
pure fibre, gigabit fibre and fibre internet by Offcum and its babies
BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM etc now threatens PSD2.

Payment Services Directive 2 liberates payment information
so that companies other than banks can do your transactions from
ALL mobiles and browsers anywhere on the internet.
Numerous small app business will now be able to do the same
things that bwanks can do at a fraction of the cost
through your account that only bwanks
previously allowed themselves to do to grab hefty fees
as no one else were allowed to touch that data.

This of course requires all mobiles to have connections to
a mast with a fibre link to gigabit routers or the
infrastructure won't work.

It requires small businesses that offer these
services to have gigabit fibre optic links to process payments
and host their developer servers and tools.


BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach sez FSCKIT you ain't having it.


QUUAAAAACCCKkkkkkkhhh.....!!!


BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach et al are going to fsck you
from behind until you love them.

And give up PSD2 because you ain't having pure fibre internet.

All the efforts of PSD2 by bwankers and Fintech IoT businesses
are toast because there is no fibre in UK.

In Paris, all 2 million citizens have gigabit fibre internet.

So with Brexshit, you may as well move to France then.

All those things said by the Chancellor Hammond in his budget
speech yesterday about running towards change is for the
birds, the bees and pooliticians. Not for BT (Britsh Telecum)
Offcum, VM, Openroach etc selling fake fibre.






Offconn's Bhtee Telecum fsckies have fsckied again
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/11/competition-tribunal-upholds-dark-fibre-uk-market-definitions-ruling.html


Brexshit is around the corner when we all need 10gbit internet
to every home to compete in the world and make money
butt, bhtee fsckies and bhtee fsckied insiders in offconn
have done it again.

"Ofcom’s flawed approach was unduly fixated on a ‘make do and mend’
strategy of squeezing economic value out of BT’s existing legacy network, "


WHAT THE *FSCK* DO OFFCONN THINK THEY ARE DOING?????????????

The *fscking* lot of them need to be sacked immediately!!!

They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* about with
UK telecom market and helping Bhtee.

They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* in courts
on behalf of Bhtee.

Political action required.

All the companies in the City and their global competitiveness
have been sold down the river because of
Bhtee and Offconn helping each other illegally.


Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social
media
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Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html

BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.

The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.

B4N has cabled up 20,000+ rural connection
and is offering down to £30 per month for 1gbit in rural
communities which shirt and tie fscktarts like VM and BT
(British Telecum) don't know how to cable up.

With the help of Offconn, these encumbants are charging
government £4000 per install when the actual costs
are below £250 per install for fibre.

There needs to be separate investigation with reps
from Gigaclear, Citifibre, Hyperoptic, B4RN etc
in the panel holding an parliamentary inquiry into
why the encumbants VM BT (British Telecum), Openroach
and Offconn have all been in it together to con
the UK government out of billions for services
they did not deliver.



I managed to install 1gbit pure fibre in the home for $41.15
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$12.11 30m fiber optic cable - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SM-SX-3mm-30M-9-125um-30-Meters-Fiber-Optic-Jumper-Cable-SC-UPC/32619865490.html
$29.04 2 x ethernet to fiber - media converter -
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-GS-03-A-B-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-1000Mbps-Single-Mode-Single-Fiber-SC/32450387383.html

30m of pure fibre - only one required as the fibre media converter
is bidirectional and operates at 1Gbits down the single cable.

The fibre is SC-SC connector.

The media converter has SC connector - connect only to
the TX (and ignore RX marked socket) on both transceivers with single
SC-SC connector.

Connect PC to one transceiver ethernet socket, and other transceiver to
the ethernet switch and hey presto, you got 30M fibre linked
optically! :)

It took me all of 3 minutes to get it operational! :)

If you tried to do this about a year or more ago,
you would be out of pocket by a couple of hundred quid.
Today you can do it for £30 - which is just unbelievable.

Cables 100m, 300m and 500m available to link
PCs in garden sheds or extensions back to the switch or
to a router.

If you are linking farm houses together, neighbours
together in a village or linking offices in
a compound together, the procedure is effortlessly
the same. If you can, make your own cables with a bit of practice:

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you are linking together ethernet equipment on different
phases (such as large buildings, or multi-storey offices)
then fibre is the way to go to prevent electrical signals
between the different phases damaging equipment (because
the net voltage difference between the phases can be
415V instead of 240V, and all of that meets in your switch
or router or a PC which is terrible news if there is
a problem).

The world is changing - even though I got fibre in the
home, and live in London, there is nowhere to plug
it into on the street, while the rest of the country,
at least 3% of it has fibre, along with many cities,
for under £50 a month, but not London.

Its an absolute terrible crime what offconn has
done to London. They should hang their heads
in shame and go dunk themselves in river Thames.
Hopefully the replacements are pro-fiber and pure
fibre company directors with a vested interest
in ensuring their under £50 a month fibre companies
are cleared to expand into London at
maximum possible pace.



Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London
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Sacra bleau!

Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.

A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.

We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10%
of
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.

So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?

It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brexshitting and have to have this technology to be
competitive.

All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.


Angiewireless rolling out 10gbit fibre
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https://www.angiewireless.co.uk/your-city/

Bhtee VM Openroach all shiitting in their pants
and master baiting even faster with their
krone tool master bation nation tools.

These Bhtee VM Openroach and their racketeering
protection organization offconn don't use 1% of
a gigabit internet connection delivering their pone collection
traffic and teeveee looped box set collection traffic.

Most of this looped teevee is not even watched
because more than 50% of the people on the internet
prefer to watch youtube and the like :)

Bhtee has no understanding of this reality as they go all out
thieving pensioners to fund Bhtee teevee,
and VM even less charging more every day for content
that is unwatchable with nearly 30 minutes of ads per
30 minutes of looped videos. Its easier to watch youtube :)

And gigabit fibre upload speeds are same as download speeds
because its a hundred times cheaper to do it that way,
which means streaming your work for millions to watch
or uploading content in a fraction of the time compared
to Bhtee VM networks that takes several hours to upload a video.

So what are they to do with 10gbit fibre companies
that have already achieved massive roll out
across the globe?

Are they going to sell all their assets
and be the 0.1% customers of these 10gbit companies now?

They have no choice but to sell their phone copper network
and teevee cable network for scrap and become the 0.1% customers
of 10gbit fibre companies.

Fibre costs 100th the price to lay down because their
ducts can be buried 200mm to 1m below the surface.
These ducts don't need strength as there is no electricity,
gas, water or sewage that can spill out if they got dug up
which requires strong ducts to be erected.

A small team can lay 2km of fibre network every day.
The cost of cabling up the entire UK is £6.5 billion,
and revenues first year is £15 billion minimum,
enough to pay it all back.

The retail costs of equipment now ridiculously low (wholesale cheaper):

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you send your buyers to China and source all the kit directly,
you can get it much cheaper by the container load.

Your container may cost £2000, but you can bring across £200,000 pounds
worth of stuff
and be making £1 million by the end of a few months.
The only things that hold everyone back is the local councils that
are hell bent pricks on wheels catering to offconn, bhtee and VM interest
and requiring 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre.

If you elect to get rid of them and replace it with
fibre friendly councillors in elections 2 months, then
who knows, you could have gigabit symmetric fibre before the
end of the year :)

70% of UK businesses and farms are worried about not getting
fibre into their premises. Bhttee offconn VM Openroach have
no plans to deliver £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre to the home by 2020
despite 3% of UK households having it wired by non encumbants
like Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN, Cityfibre, Angiewireless and so on.

So smart alecs with businesses to run and employees to pay
need to push out the unfriendly types from government
and councils and get their fibre friendly councillors into office asap.


Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices
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Not.

So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_WebShite.com web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the
routers yourself from FPGA and scale up
rapidly
by building copies of own boards.

Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.

Examples of what can be done:
https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/
https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga

IoD calls for 10Gbit fibre
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35681475

Anyone can get into fibre as the trenches are shallow (less than 1m deep)
and carry no electricity - farmer's wifey has done it! :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37974267

Farmer's wifey runs pure fibre.
And delivers 1 gigabit fibre symmetric DSL with equal upload and download
speeds
at prices around 30 pounds per month. Bhtee and VM are choking on it and
master baiting
with their krone tools as fast as they can.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service when we
know their
equipment costs are next to nothing now.
They need to pay all the customers this money back because it is illegal
to overcharge and kidnap all that money to fund subsidies for bhtee teevee
which they have been doing illegally for a long time.


Bhtee and VM can't even use 1% of the capacity with their teeevee and phone
services.
They could instead ask B4RN to install gigabit fibre for them and become
their 1% customer and still everyone will make money.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service, they
need to be told it must reflect costs as described above,
and any overcharging should be treated like PPI mis-selling
and needs to be paid back to customer from investor profit.

The regulators are in cahoots with Bhtee VM and should be got rid of
and replaced by pure fibre companies and reps.

It could be at least 10 years before bhteee and vm pay back
their over charged customers.

With real prices out in the open for FTTP kit, anyone can
go buy the kit and start laying fibre and make their own
companies. The only way to encourage startups is to deregulate.

With such low FTTP equipment costs,
its not difficult to see why companies like
Talk Talk is investing 5 million pounds
in Yorkshire to wire up 20,000 homes.
Revenue is easily 1 million pounds a month.
Everything paid for in under a year potentially.


Bhtee VM fails 2020 open market review
--------------------------------------

Bhtee and VM fail 2020 open market review to deliver
1Gbit symmetric DSL fibre to premises FTTP for £50 in a test
of free market.

By year 2020 no one in Bhtee or VM will deliver FTTP service
in UK at £50 per month.

This is despite Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN and many others
delivering 2% of UK infrastructure on 1Gbit symmetric DSL FTTP today.

Councils in England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland warned
not to deal with Bhtee and VM roping them into expensive out
dated technology being peddled by the likes of VM and Bhtee
that are thin on facts and loose on professional delivery.
Local council and government funding should be given priority
to gigabit pure fibre optic companies delivering minimum 1gbit FTTP
symmetric DSL services capped at 50 pounds retail, noting the average
service provider is able to deliver it at under £30 per month.

All tax payer funding to the likes of Bhttee and VM should be stopped
immediately in favour of pure fibre companies.
The market is expected to be dominated by fibre
companies installing fibre in 1 meter shallow dug plastic pipes
as they don't carry electric cables which would otherwise require
deeper tunnels and stronger ducts causing extensive disruption.
Cumpanies like Bhtee and VM that use less than 1% of the internet
with their telephony and teevee data would become the 1% customers
of the new fibre companies.

Local councils and regulators should pressure Bhtee and VM to remove all
their unnecessary copper from their ducts with incentives such as fines
and sell it for scrap and recycling, and switch to using pure fibre
providers to deliver their services to UK customers.
BurfordTJustice
2017-12-26 12:31:30 UTC
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Stay in school little gay drug boi.


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(British Telecum)
Openroach

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Read the original poast troll and weep as you always have:


No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.

But BT (British Telecum) shiite investors, Pusnet, Openroach, Ski, Offcum et al,
all valued share holders in BT shiite for investor values
are only installing copper services at 20x expense.

The entire UK is run on fibre infrastructure.

At $14 per fibre modem, fibre is cheaper compared
to 20x more expensive copper equipment.

So why is BT shiite telecum investing in copper?

And why is openroach doing double blow jobs on
customer premises?

At $2 per meter for fibre optical cable with
several hundred cores, it is cheaper to install
fibre once, terminate and provision the service in one visit.

Instead openroach installs an empty tube in the time
it takes to install one fibre. And then spends double
time blowing fibre down empty tubes. That takes
double time and more space in the ducts than simply
cabling up once with several hundred fibres like
everyone else, terminating and lighting up
the cable from end to end on the same day.
But openroach project managers don't know how to do
that. Its takes two guys to cable, two guys to blow
fibres, several guys to terminate, test, liven,
and multiple visits to get it going.

To retrain all 33,000 openroach telecum engineers
to install fibre will take decades for brexshit plc.

The market for ducts is disfunctional.
Its better to confiscate all the ducts and give
it to an agnostic body that will charge according
to space usage. So if openroach install an empty
tube and blow one fibre into it with their
super thick management shiites running the show,
they will have to pay same cost as a startup installing several
hundred cores and charging customers a fraction of
the install cost.

Soon internet is to be right - not a luxury.
If it is to be a right, then you should be able to hire
your own cabler to install the cheapest
and approved fibre cable for you,
and then bill the duct owners which would then
have to be paid for by the ISPs equally.
That way monopoly double blow job openroach
won't have any business worth keeping their
engineers for. They can all migrate to the new
startups and be retrained more quickly to
more efficiently install fibre and get it working
on the same day as the install date.



BT (British Telecum) Openroach giving double blow jobs with fibre
-----------------------------------------------------------------

<blow> <blow> <blow> ... <job> <job> <job>!!

That is the sound of bhtee offcum openroach krone tool
master baiters installing fibre.

Double the price, half the productivity, half the efficiency,
and twice the manpower with Bhtee Openroach approach.

Openroach are already missed their own deadlines for rolling
out fibre.

The clue is here is that no one uses these out dated
practices except BT offcum openroach.

How low can these super thick management trolls get?

It cost about £1 to £2 per meter for a couple of hundred
core fibre. So why does BT openroach offcum trolls
install an empty fibre tube and then spend double time
blowing one fibre at a time through the empty tube
with a blow job?

May be they miss krone tool master bation and
now resort to giving customers blow jobs on site?

Double the time, double the effort, double the cost
and very few fibres get installed.

No one does this.

Everyone just installs once the 500+ fibre bundle cores
and leave plenty of spare capacity for cabling
up the rest of Brexshitting UK plc at a lower cost than
install tube and then fibre one fibre at a time.

The fsking p ricks at offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach
should be relieved of their franchise and exclusive
access to markets and ducts with immediate effect.

All the street ducts should be confiscated by an agnostic
body and charged according to per cm cross sectional
area. So if you install a empty tube 1cm cross section
to blow one fibre, you fsck yourself in the rear
when someone else installs a 1cm cable with 500 fibres
for the same price and connect up 500 more customers
than management trolls and their blow jobs ever will.

This kind of telecum malpractice means no one in the City
is ever going to connected with high speed fibre optic internet
because every tall rise building now needs something
as large as Eurotunnel to cable up with hollow tubes
and one fibre at a time being run through them with a blow job.

What a fskcing mess!!



Offcum BT bins all Mobile Ads costing hundreds of millions
----------------------------------------------------------

Offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM et al
bins Mobile Ads costing hundreds of millions of dollars to
make because there aren't any mobile masts to distribute
these ads to mobile phone users while they are travelling
in trains, buses, underground tube, taxis etc.

Transpurt for Londonistan is proud telling Christmas shoppers
and foreign visitors to go and stuff it as customers
see connection lost signals
and buffering rings go round and round and round..

In China no such problem which leaves all China tourists bemused
as to why UK has become such a third rate stone age country.

Transpurt for Londinistan can't afford the £6000 install fee for fibre
and 6000 pound per annum fee for each and every *FSCKING* fibre
while companies like B4RN, Hyperoptic etc are charging under
£50 per month for the same 1 gbit fibre service.

The Mayor of Londinistan is wahahahaking off about Boris
when he should be whahahahanking off about BT, Offcum, Openroach
et al who collectively between them has left Londinistan
as the most disconnected city in the world with no pure fibre network.

Even in near third world countries like China, there is no
disconnection as you travel inside big buildings, go into
the underground, travel the tubes, and take overground trains
and travel hundreds of miles.

Even Paris, Londonistani's closest competitor has full fibre
for all its 2 million residents.

Offcum needs to be broken up because the City's
PSD2 is not happening either because again there
are no mobile phone masts and fibre connections to fibre
routers available despite bwanks spending billions getting
it ready and dozens of start ups are spending all their money to make
it all work on mobile phone apps.

Come Christmas, Boxing Day shopping, and New Year shopping,
all the ads that are meant to be delivered to Brexshitting mobile users
will not be delivered while connections are lost 2 hours of the day
average and buffering rings go round and round for millions
of customers for average 2 hours a day while they sit in
buses, taxis, underground tube and trains trying to place orders.

The problem is unfixable for Christmas in 4 weeks time.

Lost sales and ad revenue is going to be in the billions for this
coming Christmas - far more than cost of sacking
the lot at Offcum and replacing it with full fibre directors from B4RN,
Hyperoptic, Cityfibre etc.




Offcum BT lose 1 billion Black Friday sales for retailers
---------------------------------------------------------

Offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM et al lose 1 billion of
Black Friday sales for retailers.

Retailers are saying *FSCKING* thanks a lot to the telecum retards.

A lot of people sat 2 or more hours today watching
connection lost, and buffering rings going round and round and round
in tubes, trains, and buses wondering why they can't click on
a simple bargain order while in China you can do this on moving trains,
moving underground tube trains, on buses in towns and villages
and anywhere else where there is civilization.

All the Lards Ladies Pooliticians doing the

1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly

routine in UK could not deregulate and abolish Offcum
to save Black Friday. Being comatozed on

1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly

routines, they have no incentive to change anything when
country is sinking to lowest ever productivity and instead
parade themselves on camera for attention talking
up Brexshit according to what their hallucinations tell
them is important. So expect all of Christmas and New Year
to be spent watching more connection lost and buffering rings
going round and round and round thanks to the pooliticians.

While Oxford street gets the full anti-terror treatment today,
there are not enough cameras to relay the signals
because it all requires fibre optic signals and at £6000 install
fee + £6000 per annum for line rental it ain't
gonna make security happen. At least not according to offcum.
Not even while B4RN, Hyperoptic, Citifibre etc are installing
1 gibit fibre for under £50 a month and have cabled up 800,000+
homes already including the most remote villages and houses
by B4RN for £30 a month for 1gbit fibre.

PSD2 is not happening either because it requires a lot of
mobile phone masts connected with fibre to fibre optic routers.
Which ain't gonna happen at £6000 per install and £6000 per
annum fake fees. So billions being spent by the bwanks and all
the startup companies into new PSD2 services and apps will
not be getting any new mobile customers using it.

The fake fibre epidemic gripping UK is driven by Offcum regulator
that allows people to be conned by BT VM Openroach Pusnet Ski
into believing they got
the best when in reality they got fake fibre.

A gamer buying £1000 gaming card, and £2000
OLED monitor and £1500 gaming PC to play games ain't gonna
get anything more serious than buffering rings going round and
round and round.. They gonna lose their game to some retard in
Paris or near third world country like Portugal where
it is all fibre running 1 gbit easy.




PSD2 - BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach sez FSCKIT you ain't having it
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

This fsckit and you ain't havin it management troll approach to
pure fibre, gigabit fibre and fibre internet by Offcum and its babies
BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM etc now threatens PSD2.

Payment Services Directive 2 liberates payment information
so that companies other than banks can do your transactions from
ALL mobiles and browsers anywhere on the internet.
Numerous small app business will now be able to do the same
things that bwanks can do at a fraction of the cost
through your account that only bwanks
previously allowed themselves to do to grab hefty fees
as no one else were allowed to touch that data.

This of course requires all mobiles to have connections to
a mast with a fibre link to gigabit routers or the
infrastructure won't work.

It requires small businesses that offer these
services to have gigabit fibre optic links to process payments
and host their developer servers and tools.


BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach sez FSCKIT you ain't having it.


QUUAAAAACCCKkkkkkkhhh.....!!!


BT (British Telecum) Offcum Openroach et al are going to fsck you
from behind until you love them.

And give up PSD2 because you ain't having pure fibre internet.

All the efforts of PSD2 by bwankers and Fintech IoT businesses
are toast because there is no fibre in UK.

In Paris, all 2 million citizens have gigabit fibre internet.

So with Brexshit, you may as well move to France then.

All those things said by the Chancellor Hammond in his budget
speech yesterday about running towards change is for the
birds, the bees and pooliticians. Not for BT (Britsh Telecum)
Offcum, VM, Openroach etc selling fake fibre.






Offconn's Bhtee Telecum fsckies have fsckied again
--------------------------------------------------


https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/11/competition-tribunal-upholds-dark-fibre-uk-market-definitions-ruling.html


Brexshit is around the corner when we all need 10gbit internet
to every home to compete in the world and make money
butt, bhtee fsckies and bhtee fsckied insiders in offconn
have done it again.

"Ofcom’s flawed approach was unduly fixated on a ‘make do and mend’
strategy of squeezing economic value out of BT’s existing legacy network, "


WHAT THE *FSCK* DO OFFCONN THINK THEY ARE DOING?????????????

The *fscking* lot of them need to be sacked immediately!!!

They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* about with
UK telecom market and helping Bhtee.

They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* in courts
on behalf of Bhtee.

Political action required.

All the companies in the City and their global competitiveness
have been sold down the river because of
Bhtee and Offconn helping each other illegally.


Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social
media
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html

BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.

The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.

B4N has cabled up 20,000+ rural connection
and is offering down to £30 per month for 1gbit in rural
communities which shirt and tie fscktarts like VM and BT
(British Telecum) don't know how to cable up.

With the help of Offconn, these encumbants are charging
government £4000 per install when the actual costs
are below £250 per install for fibre.

There needs to be separate investigation with reps
from Gigaclear, Citifibre, Hyperoptic, B4RN etc
in the panel holding an parliamentary inquiry into
why the encumbants VM BT (British Telecum), Openroach
and Offconn have all been in it together to con
the UK government out of billions for services
they did not deliver.



I managed to install 1gbit pure fibre in the home for $41.15
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$12.11 30m fiber optic cable - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SM-SX-3mm-30M-9-125um-30-Meters-Fiber-Optic-Jumper-Cable-SC-UPC/32619865490.html
$29.04 2 x ethernet to fiber - media converter -
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-GS-03-A-B-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-1000Mbps-Single-Mode-Single-Fiber-SC/32450387383.html

30m of pure fibre - only one required as the fibre media converter
is bidirectional and operates at 1Gbits down the single cable.

The fibre is SC-SC connector.

The media converter has SC connector - connect only to
the TX (and ignore RX marked socket) on both transceivers with single
SC-SC connector.

Connect PC to one transceiver ethernet socket, and other transceiver to
the ethernet switch and hey presto, you got 30M fibre linked
optically! :)

It took me all of 3 minutes to get it operational! :)

If you tried to do this about a year or more ago,
you would be out of pocket by a couple of hundred quid.
Today you can do it for £30 - which is just unbelievable.

Cables 100m, 300m and 500m available to link
PCs in garden sheds or extensions back to the switch or
to a router.

If you are linking farm houses together, neighbours
together in a village or linking offices in
a compound together, the procedure is effortlessly
the same. If you can, make your own cables with a bit of practice:

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you are linking together ethernet equipment on different
phases (such as large buildings, or multi-storey offices)
then fibre is the way to go to prevent electrical signals
between the different phases damaging equipment (because
the net voltage difference between the phases can be
415V instead of 240V, and all of that meets in your switch
or router or a PC which is terrible news if there is
a problem).

The world is changing - even though I got fibre in the
home, and live in London, there is nowhere to plug
it into on the street, while the rest of the country,
at least 3% of it has fibre, along with many cities,
for under £50 a month, but not London.

Its an absolute terrible crime what offconn has
done to London. They should hang their heads
in shame and go dunk themselves in river Thames.
Hopefully the replacements are pro-fiber and pure
fibre company directors with a vested interest
in ensuring their under £50 a month fibre companies
are cleared to expand into London at
maximum possible pace.



Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London
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Sacra bleau!

Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.

A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.

We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10%
of
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.

So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?

It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brexshitting and have to have this technology to be
competitive.

All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.


Angiewireless rolling out 10gbit fibre
--------------------------------------

https://www.angiewireless.co.uk/your-city/

Bhtee VM Openroach all shiitting in their pants
and master baiting even faster with their
krone tool master bation nation tools.

These Bhtee VM Openroach and their racketeering
protection organization offconn don't use 1% of
a gigabit internet connection delivering their pone collection
traffic and teeveee looped box set collection traffic.

Most of this looped teevee is not even watched
because more than 50% of the people on the internet
prefer to watch youtube and the like :)

Bhtee has no understanding of this reality as they go all out
thieving pensioners to fund Bhtee teevee,
and VM even less charging more every day for content
that is unwatchable with nearly 30 minutes of ads per
30 minutes of looped videos. Its easier to watch youtube :)

And gigabit fibre upload speeds are same as download speeds
because its a hundred times cheaper to do it that way,
which means streaming your work for millions to watch
or uploading content in a fraction of the time compared
to Bhtee VM networks that takes several hours to upload a video.

So what are they to do with 10gbit fibre companies
that have already achieved massive roll out
across the globe?

Are they going to sell all their assets
and be the 0.1% customers of these 10gbit companies now?

They have no choice but to sell their phone copper network
and teevee cable network for scrap and become the 0.1% customers
of 10gbit fibre companies.

Fibre costs 100th the price to lay down because their
ducts can be buried 200mm to 1m below the surface.
These ducts don't need strength as there is no electricity,
gas, water or sewage that can spill out if they got dug up
which requires strong ducts to be erected.

A small team can lay 2km of fibre network every day.
The cost of cabling up the entire UK is £6.5 billion,
and revenues first year is £15 billion minimum,
enough to pay it all back.

The retail costs of equipment now ridiculously low (wholesale cheaper):

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you send your buyers to China and source all the kit directly,
you can get it much cheaper by the container load.

Your container may cost £2000, but you can bring across £200,000 pounds
worth of stuff
and be making £1 million by the end of a few months.
The only things that hold everyone back is the local councils that
are hell bent pricks on wheels catering to offconn, bhtee and VM interest
and requiring 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre.

If you elect to get rid of them and replace it with
fibre friendly councillors in elections 2 months, then
who knows, you could have gigabit symmetric fibre before the
end of the year :)

70% of UK businesses and farms are worried about not getting
fibre into their premises. Bhttee offconn VM Openroach have
no plans to deliver £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre to the home by 2020
despite 3% of UK households having it wired by non encumbants
like Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN, Cityfibre, Angiewireless and so on.

So smart alecs with businesses to run and employees to pay
need to push out the unfriendly types from government
and councils and get their fibre friendly councillors into office asap.


Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices
------------------------------------------------------

Not.

So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_WebShite.com web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the
routers yourself from FPGA and scale up
rapidly
by building copies of own boards.

Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.

Examples of what can be done:
https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/
https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga

IoD calls for 10Gbit fibre
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35681475

Anyone can get into fibre as the trenches are shallow (less than 1m deep)
and carry no electricity - farmer's wifey has done it! :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37974267

Farmer's wifey runs pure fibre.
And delivers 1 gigabit fibre symmetric DSL with equal upload and download
speeds
at prices around 30 pounds per month. Bhtee and VM are choking on it and
master baiting
with their krone tools as fast as they can.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service when we
know their
equipment costs are next to nothing now.
They need to pay all the customers this money back because it is illegal
to overcharge and kidnap all that money to fund subsidies for bhtee teevee
which they have been doing illegally for a long time.


Bhtee and VM can't even use 1% of the capacity with their teeevee and phone
services.
They could instead ask B4RN to install gigabit fibre for them and become
their 1% customer and still everyone will make money.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service, they
need to be told it must reflect costs as described above,
and any overcharging should be treated like PPI mis-selling
and needs to be paid back to customer from investor profit.

The regulators are in cahoots with Bhtee VM and should be got rid of
and replaced by pure fibre companies and reps.

It could be at least 10 years before bhteee and vm pay back
their over charged customers.

With real prices out in the open for FTTP kit, anyone can
go buy the kit and start laying fibre and make their own
companies. The only way to encourage startups is to deregulate.

With such low FTTP equipment costs,
its not difficult to see why companies like
Talk Talk is investing 5 million pounds
in Yorkshire to wire up 20,000 homes.
Revenue is easily 1 million pounds a month.
Everything paid for in under a year potentially.


Bhtee VM fails 2020 open market review
--------------------------------------

Bhtee and VM fail 2020 open market review to deliver
1Gbit symmetric DSL fibre to premises FTTP for £50 in a test
of free market.

By year 2020 no one in Bhtee or VM will deliver FTTP service
in UK at £50 per month.

This is despite Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN and many others
delivering 2% of UK infrastructure on 1Gbit symmetric DSL FTTP today.

Councils in England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland warned
not to deal with Bhtee and VM roping them into expensive out
dated technology being peddled by the likes of VM and Bhtee
that are thin on facts and loose on professional delivery.
Local council and government funding should be given priority
to gigabit pure fibre optic companies delivering minimum 1gbit FTTP
symmetric DSL services capped at 50 pounds retail, noting the average
service provider is able to deliver it at under £30 per month.

All tax payer funding to the likes of Bhttee and VM should be stopped
immediately in favour of pure fibre companies.
The market is expected to be dominated by fibre
companies installing fibre in 1 meter shallow dug plastic pipes
as they don't carry electric cables which would otherwise require
deeper tunnels and stronger ducts causing extensive disruption.
Cumpanies like Bhtee and VM that use less than 1% of the internet
with their telephony and teevee data would become the 1% customers
of the new fibre companies.

Local councils and regulators should pressure Bhtee and VM to remove all
their unnecessary copper from their ducts with incentives such as fines
and sell it for scrap and recycling, and switch to using pure fibre
providers to deliver their services to UK customers.
Paul Cummins
2017-12-26 22:16:00 UTC
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Post by 7
No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum)
Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
They aren't, because there is no such thing as 10mbit copper.

If you say otherwise, produce a SIN or other recognised specification for
copper cable specifying its capability as 10mbit.
--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
====
Visit North Kent's 2nd biggest supplier of Sour Grapes
http://www.grapesdirect.co.uk
Stephen
2017-12-28 21:58:15 UTC
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Post by 7
No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.
You need to go read some standards.

Ethernet over last mile (EFM) will run multipair copper and inverse
mux the data streams to give up to ~ 20 Mbps aggregate link speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_in_the_first_mile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_copper

Not cheap though as multiple copper pairs, and you cannot use the same
pairs at the same time for other services such as analog voice, alarm
lines et al, so has been confined to business services at least in the
UK

Or maybe you mean ADSL 2+ - good for up to 24 Mbps, but only at
unreasonabl short distances for a generic service, so the most that
seems to have been offered in the UK is 16 Mbps down, 1+ Mbps up?

Or maybe FTTC with fibre to a cabinet / building concentrator and
copper for the last few 100m?
- Openreach will rent an "up to" 80 Mbps down / 20 Mbps up
service.....
- easy enough to rate limit that and give a 10 Mbps symmetric Ethernet
service.
Post by 7
But BT (British Telecum) shiite investors, Pusnet, Openroach, Ski, Offcum et al,
all valued share holders in BT shiite for investor values
are only installing copper services at 20x expense.
What you are ignoring is those companies belong to the investors and
they dictate what happens
- if you want to fix that go find a few million friends, buy all the
shares in BT and get them to run it the way you want.
Post by 7
The entire UK is run on fibre infrastructure.
the core is fibre and that is gradually being deployed further into
the "edge" network.
- but the added cost of all the plumbing for that works because of
the aggregated traffic - the cost vs payback tradeoffs are different
for an individual consumer access

<snip>
--
Stephen
7
2017-12-29 15:22:20 UTC
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Post by Stephen
Post by 7
No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach
installing 10mbit copper?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.
You need to go read some standards.
No thanks. And no, copper is not a standard for infrastructure.

There is no copper infrastructure in UK for internet.
The entire infrastructure is fibre.


No copper infrastructure in UK so why is BT (British Telecum) Openroach installing 10mbit copper?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no physical infrastructure in UK for copper 10mbit services.

But BT (British Telecum) shiite investors, Pusnet, Openroach, Ski, Offcum et al,
all valued share holders in BT shiite for investor values
are only installing copper services at 20x expense.

The entire UK is run on fibre infrastructure.

At $14 per fibre modem, fibre is cheaper compared
to 20x more expensive copper equipment.

So why is BT shiite telecum investing in copper?

And why is openroach doing double blow jobs on
customer premises?

At $2 per meter for fibre optical cable with
several hundred cores, it is cheaper to install
fibre once, terminate and provision the service in one visit.

Instead openroach installs an empty tube in the time
it takes to install one fibre. And then spends double
time blowing fibre down empty tubes. That takes
double time and more space in the ducts than simply
cabling up once with several hundred fibres like
everyone else, terminating and lighting up
the cable from end to end on the same day.
But openroach project managers don't know how to do
that. Its takes two guys to cable, two guys to blow
fibres, several guys to terminate, test, liven,
and multiple visits to get it going.

To retrain all 33,000 openroach telecum engineers
to install fibre will take decades for brexshit plc.

The market for ducts is disfunctional.
Its better to confiscate all the ducts and give
it to an agnostic body that will charge according
to space usage. So if openroach install an empty
tube and blow one fibre into it with their
super thick management shiites running the show,
they will have to pay same cost as a startup installing several
hundred cores and charging customers a fraction of
the install cost.

Soon internet is to be right - not a luxury.
If it is to be a right, then you should be able to hire
your own cabler to install the cheapest
and approved fibre cable for you,
and then bill the duct owners which would then
have to be paid for by the ISPs equally.
That way monopoly double blow job openroach
won't have any business worth keeping their
engineers for. They can all migrate to the new
startups and be retrained more quickly to
more efficiently install fibre and get it working
on the same day as the install date.
Paul Cummins
2017-12-30 00:06:00 UTC
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Post by 7
There is no copper infrastructure in UK for internet.
The entire infrastructure is fibre.
Are you sure? NO copper AT ALL? That's unbelievable, as there is copper
into ever single BT Served address, including those served by fibre...
--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
====
Visit North Kent's 2nd biggest supplier of Sour Grapes
http://www.grapesdirect.co.uk
Woody
2017-12-30 08:26:54 UTC
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Post by Paul Cummins
Post by 7
There is no copper infrastructure in UK for internet.
The entire infrastructure is fibre.
Are you sure? NO copper AT ALL? That's unbelievable, as there is copper
into ever single BT Served address, including those served by
fibre...
I think what he may be saying is that the backbone and switch
distribution of the Internet in the UK is fibre - which may be true if
you omit the various microwave links over which it also flows and the
local loop.
--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
David Woolley
2017-12-30 10:26:41 UTC
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Post by Woody
I think what he may be saying is that the backbone and switch
distribution of the Internet in the UK is fibre - which may be true if
you omit the various microwave links over which it also flows and the
local loop.
But his whole case seems to be about the local loop, where the vast
existing copper infrastructure is why fibre is so late to arrive,
especially outside urban areas.
7
2017-12-30 12:04:31 UTC
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Post by David Woolley
Post by Woody
I think what he may be saying is that the backbone and switch
distribution of the Internet in the UK is fibre - which may be true if
you omit the various microwave links over which it also flows and the
local loop.
But his whole case seems to be about the local loop, where the vast
existing copper infrastructure is why fibre is so late to arrive,
especially outside urban areas.
Interesting - so you are saying UK infrastructure is fibre,
but local poop is copper at 20x expense when it
need only cost $14 per fibre modem for internet?

So why is British Telecum pooping over their shiite valued customers
with copper at the local level at 20x expense when they
could be installing 1 gigabit fibre at $14 per fibre modem?
Woody
2017-12-30 13:37:05 UTC
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Post by David Woolley
Post by Woody
I think what he may be saying is that the backbone and switch
distribution of the Internet in the UK is fibre - which may be true if
you omit the various microwave links over which it also flows and the
local loop.
But his whole case seems to be about the local loop, where the vast
existing copper infrastructure is why fibre is so late to arrive,
especially outside urban areas.
Late? That's not the word for it.

We have friends who libe in a village about 6 miles outside Darmstadt
and they have had FTTP since the mid noughties carrying Interweb, all
TV and radio AND the phone. It has never failed once.

What is more no digging - all installed using by boring from the
street into the cellar using a small boring device on the end of a
control shaft. Whole street of about 40 houses done in less than a
week.

BT? Who are they?
--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
Graham J
2017-12-30 14:20:35 UTC
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Woody wrote:

[snip]
Post by Woody
What is more no digging - all installed using by boring from the
street into the cellar using a small boring device on the end of a
control shaft. Whole street of about 40 houses done in less than a
week.
Our village is suffering major roadworks while Anglian Water installs a
new public sewer. This involves cutting a trench about 0.7 metre wide
by between 2.5m and 5m deep along the length of the road through the
village. It seems to me that this work is an obvious candidate for a
boring device - yet the contractors tell me that boring is much more
expensive - it beats me why! Can anybody explain?

While digging this trench they could have installed an empty duct for
other services (such as fibre) at almost nil cost - yet there doesn't
seem to be any obligation on them to do so. It follows that next year
or whenever we get fibre Openreach will probably dig up the road again.

Is there a planning system in this country, or what?
--
Graham J
Ian Jackson
2017-12-30 15:45:31 UTC
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In message <p287bg$bmg$***@dont-email.me>, Graham J <***@invalid.com>
writes
Post by Graham J
[snip]
Post by Woody
What is more no digging - all installed using by boring from the
street into the cellar using a small boring device on the end of a
control shaft. Whole street of about 40 houses done in less than a
week.
Our village is suffering major roadworks while Anglian Water installs a
new public sewer. This involves cutting a trench about 0.7 metre wide
by between 2.5m and 5m deep along the length of the road through the
village. It seems to me that this work is an obvious candidate for a
boring device - yet the contractors tell me that boring is much more
expensive - it beats me why! Can anybody explain?
While digging this trench they could have installed an empty duct for
other services (such as fibre) at almost nil cost - yet there doesn't
seem to be any obligation on them to do so. It follows that next year
or whenever we get fibre Openreach will probably dig up the road again.
Is there a planning system in this country, or what?
On a somewhat different grumble, it's 3pm Saturday, and I keep hearing
on the LBC traffic reports that one lane of the M25 is closed between
J16 and J15 for barrier repairs (caused by an accident on Tuesday -
Boxing Day). There are tailbacks to J17. How long does it take to repair
barriers these days?
--
Ian
Woody
2017-12-30 18:14:58 UTC
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Post by Graham J
[snip]
Post by Woody
What is more no digging - all installed using by boring from the
street into the cellar using a small boring device on the end of a
control shaft. Whole street of about 40 houses done in less than a
week.
Our village is suffering major roadworks while Anglian Water
installs a new public sewer. This involves cutting a trench about
0.7 metre wide by between 2.5m and 5m deep along the length of the
road through the village. It seems to me that this work is an
obvious candidate for a boring device - yet the contractors tell me
that boring is much more expensive - it beats me why! Can anybody
explain?
While digging this trench they could have installed an empty duct
for other services (such as fibre) at almost nil cost - yet there
doesn't seem to be any obligation on them to do so. It follows that
next year or whenever we get fibre Openreach will probably dig up
the road again.
Is there a planning system in this country, or what?
--
My f-in-l was the MoH in a medium sized north Midlands town in the
60's and 70's. He tells the tale that the Borough Council decided it
needed to rebuild a piece of road on a sloping corner on one edge of
the town centre, and it was to be a major task. They wrote to all
parties concerned - electrikery, gas, water (and sewage) and GPO
Telephones (as it then was) - to advise them of their plans and the
timescale and asked that they look at their plans for future works to
see if the works could be brought forward so that they were done
before the road rebuild took place. No requirement from electric or
gas, water wanted to improve the storm drainage but they were due to
do that in part as part fo the rebuild. GPO did not reply despite
three letters including one via the local MP to the top dog.
Eventually they said no requirement.

Two weeks after the work was finished the GPO put in for permission to
replace some ducts - work that had been in planning for nearly a year.

No change there then?
--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
Stephen
2017-12-30 17:53:38 UTC
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Post by Woody
Post by Paul Cummins
Post by 7
There is no copper infrastructure in UK for internet.
The entire infrastructure is fibre.
Are you sure? NO copper AT ALL? That's unbelievable, as there is copper
into ever single BT Served address, including those served by
fibre...
I think what he may be saying is that the backbone and switch
distribution of the Internet in the UK is fibre - which may be true if
you omit the various microwave links over which it also flows and the
local loop.
He has a point about the exchange backhaul level plumbing, which is
almost all glass these days. Some of that glass is 25 to 30 or more
years old & is having to be replaced as either not up to modern
standards, or degrading....

There are a few terrestrial backbone microwave links - out to islands
and across the mountains - although even there they have been
relegated to relatively low speed backups to primary fibre links.

Where you do still find microwave is to awkward locations - a lot of
mobile masts still are expensive / impractical to hook onto fibre, and
a point to point microwave can support fractional GigE at a few Km
which is enough for lower density 4G.
--
Stephen
Vir Campestris
2017-12-31 17:11:43 UTC
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Post by Paul Cummins
Are you sure? NO copper AT ALL? That's unbelievable, as there is copper
into ever single BT Served address, including those served by fibre...
I think you'll find there are exceptions.

The only reason we still have copper is BT's incompetence. We can make
outgoing calls from the port on our FTTP fibre, but they can't set the
computers up to route incoming calls that way.

We will remove the copper once they've got that worked out. Or
alternately, once we've switched ISP/Telco. I only picked BT because I
guessed (correctly) that Openreach would screw up the fibre install, and
that gave me a one-stop shop for complaints.

(Yes, I know, in theory it's the same with any ISP, but it's a bit
harder for BT to say "It's all BT's fault...")

Andy

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