Post by David WoolleyPost by Paul CumminsPost by 7The results are usually better than 0.01db loss.
Not possible... you cannot measure luminosity loss in dB.
Of course you can. You can measure anything that is a dimensionless
ratio in dB and dB are the preferred unit in this case.
However, according to <http://www.thefoa.org/tech/lossbudg.htm> a more
realistic splice loss is 0.3 dB, which is 30 times worse than suggested
here.
What a *FSCKING* troll!!!
We have moved on a lot since 2004!!!
Now we use motorized 6 axis fully automatic spicers for $1000
with sub 0.1db (more like 0.01db) results.
Read the original pooost and weep if you must troll:
$270 for 3km 4 core outdoor fibre to cable up Brexshit plc
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000m-roll-single-mode-4-core-outdoor-FTTH-fiber-optic-Drop-Wire-Cable-LSZH-sheath-G657A/32816370400.html
Put 50 of those in a container and be done with I say.
Fibre is cheaper than copper.
And the automatic 3 minute fusion splicers are cheap as well.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-Free-Shipping-Automatic-Intelligent-Optical-Fiber-Fusion-Splicer-Welding-Splicing-Machine/32734790096.html
You can wear sandals when operating these because that is what
third world country telecom engineers use.
These are so simple to use - just put into machine, it aligns
the fibres automatically using motorized mounts, heats, melts
and joins the fibres all automatically in under 3 minutes.
No human intervention needed.
The results are usually better than 0.01db loss.
So you can have hundreds to thousands of joins before
the fibre optic modems notice they need a repeater.
Let the fibre optic modems decide if repeaters are needed
or a new fibre is needed when line quality gets poor
instead of letting neurotic openroach telecum engineers insist
on re-cabling everything from end to end as a policy
instead of letting their fibre modems tell them what the
policy should be.
800,000 Customers have 1gbit fibre but the rest of us
in Brexshitting UK plc can't have it.
British Telecum is the puppet of foreign media and state controlled
telecum cumpanies who do not serve UK interests.
Aided by Offcum insiders who have no idea what fibre
internet is or how the rest of the world is racing ahead.
Full fibre is better for uploading social media
and for playing games. No point in spending £5000
on top spec gaming PCs and graphics cards if
the upload link is sloooowwwww..!!!!
You often see these gaming retards with full whack dual screen gaming PCs
and haven't figured out yet they need the 1gbit fibre
link with fibre routers at the other end of it
to make full use of all that online gaming hardware.
Why is that? Because they believe they got fibre when what
they really have is 10 or 20 mbit copper ASDL modems with 1/10th
the upload instead of gigabit fibre modems and fibre links to the routers
at the ISP that provide 1gbit down speed and 1gbit upload speed essential
for
fast gaming. Such advanced tech is only installed by companies like
Hyperoptic
B4RN, Citifibre, Metronet etc, not by BT (British Telecum)
Openroach VM Pusnet Offcum et al.
While the incumbents pretend they installing fibre,
they never have after having taken billions from government.
You are not going to get fibre from BT (British Telecum)
and Open roach. They first install a hollow tube
and then do a second install by give you a blow job
by blowing a fibre through that hollow tube.
Double the work, double the effort,
half the productivity, half the efficiency, and if the fibre
get stuck or the fibre is broken by all that vibration and
tugging it undergoes while the blow job is being done,
then they have to install another hollow tube or another fibre.
Instead openroach trolls can use the 4 core $270 for 3km cable
described in the link and install once and be done with.
If the cable is broken, then there are 3 more cable to use.
And if you get 500 core the price is still about £2 per meter,
because physically the fibres still amount to about a bundle 3mm
diameter. Just worry about the shipment costs because of the weight
of protective material separating the cables.
Although in many parts of the world, some don't care
what cable or separation or protection they use because eventually one
free cable should allow light from a torch to reach the
other end, which means the fibre is OK and that is all that matters.
Not how many fscking fibres may be broken.
Offcum BT lose 1 billion Black Friday sales for retailers
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Offcum BT (British Telecum) Openroach VM et al lose 1 billion of
Black Friday sales for retailers.
Retailers are saying *FSCKING* thanks a lot to the telecum retards.
A lot of people sat 2 or more hours today watching
connection lost, and buffering rings going round and round and round
in tubes, trains, and buses wondering why they can't click on
a simple bargain order while in China you can do this on moving trains,
moving underground tube trains, on buses in towns and villages
and anywhere else where there is civilization.
All the Lards Ladies Pooliticians doing the
1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly
routine in UK could not deregulate and abolish Offcum
to save Black Friday. Being comatozed on
1. Stand up fastly
2. Troll
3. Sit down fastly
routines, they have no incentive to change anything when
country is sinking to lowest ever productivity and instead
parade themselves on camera for attention talking
up Brexshit according to what their hallucinations tell
them is important. So expect all of Christmas and New Year
to be spent watching more connection lost and buffering rings
going round and round and round thanks to the pooliticians.
While Oxford street gets the full anti-terror treatment today,
there are not enough cameras to relay the signals
because it all requires fibre optic signals and at £6000 install
fee + £6000 per annum for line rental it ain't
gonna make security happen. At least not according to offcum.
Not even while B4RN, Hyperoptic, Citifibre etc are installing
1 gibit fibre for under £50 a month and have cabled up 800,000+
homes already including the most remote villages and houses
by B4RN for £30 a month for 1gbit fibre.
PSD2 is not happening either because it requires a lot of
mobile phone masts connected with fibre to fibre optic routers.
Which ain't gonna happen at £6000 per install and £6000 per
annum fake fees. So billions being spent by the bwanks and all
the startup companies into new PSD2 services and apps will
not be getting any new mobile customers using it.
The fake fibre epidemic gripping UK is driven by Offcum regulator
that allows people to be conned by BT VM Openroach Pusnet Ski
into believing they got
the best when in reality they got fake fibre.
A gamer buying £1000 gaming card, and £2000
OLED monitor and £1500 gaming PC to play games ain't gonna
get anything more serious than buffering rings going round and
round and round.. They gonna lose their game to some retard in
Paris or near third world country like Portugal where
it is all fibre running 1 gbit easy.
Offconn's Bhtee Telecum fsckies have fsckied again
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/11/competition-tribunal-upholds-dark-fibre-uk-market-definitions-ruling.html
Brexshit is around the corner when we all need 10gbit internet
to every home to compete in the world and make money
butt, bhtee fsckies and bhtee fsckied insiders in offconn
have done it again.
"Ofcom’s flawed approach was unduly fixated on a ‘make do and mend’
strategy of squeezing economic value out of BT’s existing legacy network, "
WHAT THE *FSCK* DO OFFCONN THINK THEY ARE DOING?????????????
The *fscking* lot of them need to be sacked immediately!!!
They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* about with
UK telecom market and helping Bhtee.
They are *NOT* employees of Bhtee to be *fscking* in courts
on behalf of Bhtee.
Political action required.
All the companies in the City and their global competitiveness
have been sold down the river because of
Bhtee and Offconn helping each other illegally.
Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social
media
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Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html
BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.
The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.
B4N has cabled up 20,000+ rural connection
and is offering down to £30 per month for 1gbit in rural
communities which shirt and tie fscktarts like VM and BT
(British Telecum) don't know how to cable up.
With the help of Offconn, these encumbants are charging
government £4000 per install when the actual costs
are below £250 per install for fibre.
There needs to be separate investigation with reps
from Gigaclear, Citifibre, Hyperoptic, B4RN etc
in the panel holding an parliamentary inquiry into
why the encumbants VM BT (British Telecum), Openroach
and Offconn have all been in it together to con
the UK government out of billions for services
they did not deliver.
I managed to install 1gbit pure fibre in the home for $41.15
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$12.11 30m fiber optic cable - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SM-SX-3mm-30M-9-125um-30-Meters-Fiber-Optic-Jumper-Cable-SC-UPC/32619865490.html
$29.04 2 x ethernet to fiber - media converter -
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-GS-03-A-B-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-1000Mbps-Single-Mode-Single-Fiber-SC/32450387383.html
30m of pure fibre - only one required as the fibre media converter
is bidirectional and operates at 1Gbits down the single cable.
The fibre is SC-SC connector.
The media converter has SC connector - connect only to
the TX (and ignore RX marked socket) on both transceivers with single
SC-SC connector.
Connect PC to one transceiver ethernet socket, and other transceiver to
the ethernet switch and hey presto, you got 30M fibre linked
optically! :)
It took me all of 3 minutes to get it operational! :)
If you tried to do this about a year or more ago,
you would be out of pocket by a couple of hundred quid.
Today you can do it for £30 - which is just unbelievable.
Cables 100m, 300m and 500m available to link
PCs in garden sheds or extensions back to the switch or
to a router.
If you are linking farm houses together, neighbours
together in a village or linking offices in
a compound together, the procedure is effortlessly
the same. If you can, make your own cables with a bit of practice:
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html
If you are linking together ethernet equipment on different
phases (such as large buildings, or multi-storey offices)
then fibre is the way to go to prevent electrical signals
between the different phases damaging equipment (because
the net voltage difference between the phases can be
415V instead of 240V, and all of that meets in your switch
or router or a PC which is terrible news if there is
a problem).
The world is changing - even though I got fibre in the
home, and live in London, there is nowhere to plug
it into on the street, while the rest of the country,
at least 3% of it has fibre, along with many cities,
for under £50 a month, but not London.
Its an absolute terrible crime what offconn has
done to London. They should hang their heads
in shame and go dunk themselves in river Thames.
Hopefully the replacements are pro-fiber and pure
fibre company directors with a vested interest
in ensuring their under £50 a month fibre companies
are cleared to expand into London at
maximum possible pace.
Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London
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Sacra bleau!
Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.
A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.
We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10%
of
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.
So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?
It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brexshitting and have to have this technology to be
competitive.
All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.
Angiewireless rolling out 10gbit fibre
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https://www.angiewireless.co.uk/your-city/
Bhtee VM Openroach all shiitting in their pants
and master baiting even faster with their
krone tool master bation nation tools.
These Bhtee VM Openroach and their racketeering
protection organization offconn don't use 1% of
a gigabit internet connection delivering their pone collection
traffic and teeveee looped box set collection traffic.
Most of this looped teevee is not even watched
because more than 50% of the people on the internet
prefer to watch youtube and the like :)
Bhtee has no understanding of this reality as they go all out
thieving pensioners to fund Bhtee teevee,
and VM even less charging more every day for content
that is unwatchable with nearly 30 minutes of ads per
30 minutes of looped videos. Its easier to watch youtube :)
And gigabit fibre upload speeds are same as download speeds
because its a hundred times cheaper to do it that way,
which means streaming your work for millions to watch
or uploading content in a fraction of the time compared
to Bhtee VM networks that takes several hours to upload a video.
So what are they to do with 10gbit fibre companies
that have already achieved massive roll out
across the globe?
Are they going to sell all their assets
and be the 0.1% customers of these 10gbit companies now?
They have no choice but to sell their phone copper network
and teevee cable network for scrap and become the 0.1% customers
of 10gbit fibre companies.
Fibre costs 100th the price to lay down because their
ducts can be buried 200mm to 1m below the surface.
These ducts don't need strength as there is no electricity,
gas, water or sewage that can spill out if they got dug up
which requires strong ducts to be erected.
A small team can lay 2km of fibre network every day.
The cost of cabling up the entire UK is £6.5 billion,
and revenues first year is £15 billion minimum,
enough to pay it all back.
The retail costs of equipment now ridiculously low (wholesale cheaper):
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html
If you send your buyers to China and source all the kit directly,
you can get it much cheaper by the container load.
Your container may cost £2000, but you can bring across £200,000 pounds
worth of stuff
and be making £1 million by the end of a few months.
The only things that hold everyone back is the local councils that
are hell bent pricks on wheels catering to offconn, bhtee and VM interest
and requiring 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre.
If you elect to get rid of them and replace it with
fibre friendly councillors in elections 2 months, then
who knows, you could have gigabit symmetric fibre before the
end of the year :)
70% of UK businesses and farms are worried about not getting
fibre into their premises. Bhttee offconn VM Openroach have
no plans to deliver £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre to the home by 2020
despite 3% of UK households having it wired by non encumbants
like Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN, Cityfibre, Angiewireless and so on.
So smart alecs with businesses to run and employees to pay
need to push out the unfriendly types from government
and councils and get their fibre friendly councillors into office asap.
Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices
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Not.
So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_WebShite.com web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the
routers yourself from FPGA and scale up
rapidly
by building copies of own boards.
Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.
Examples of what can be done:
https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/
https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga
IoD calls for 10Gbit fibre
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35681475
Anyone can get into fibre as the trenches are shallow (less than 1m deep)
and carry no electricity - farmer's wifey has done it! :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37974267
Farmer's wifey runs pure fibre.
And delivers 1 gigabit fibre symmetric DSL with equal upload and download
speeds
at prices around 30 pounds per month. Bhtee and VM are choking on it and
master baiting
with their krone tools as fast as they can.
So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service when we
know their
equipment costs are next to nothing now.
They need to pay all the customers this money back because it is illegal
to overcharge and kidnap all that money to fund subsidies for bhtee teevee
which they have been doing illegally for a long time.
Bhtee and VM can't even use 1% of the capacity with their teeevee and phone
services.
They could instead ask B4RN to install gigabit fibre for them and become
their 1% customer and still everyone will make money.
So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service, they
need to be told it must reflect costs as described above,
and any overcharging should be treated like PPI mis-selling
and needs to be paid back to customer from investor profit.
The regulators are in cahoots with Bhtee VM and should be got rid of
and replaced by pure fibre companies and reps.
It could be at least 10 years before bhteee and vm pay back
their over charged customers.
With real prices out in the open for FTTP kit, anyone can
go buy the kit and start laying fibre and make their own
companies. The only way to encourage startups is to deregulate.
With such low FTTP equipment costs,
its not difficult to see why companies like
Talk Talk is investing 5 million pounds
in Yorkshire to wire up 20,000 homes.
Revenue is easily 1 million pounds a month.
Everything paid for in under a year potentially.
Bhtee VM fails 2020 open market review
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Bhtee and VM fail 2020 open market review to deliver
1Gbit symmetric DSL fibre to premises FTTP for £50 in a test
of free market.
By year 2020 no one in Bhtee or VM will deliver FTTP service
in UK at £50 per month.
This is despite Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN and many others
delivering 2% of UK infrastructure on 1Gbit symmetric DSL FTTP today.
Councils in England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland warned
not to deal with Bhtee and VM roping them into expensive out
dated technology being peddled by the likes of VM and Bhtee
that are thin on facts and loose on professional delivery.
Local council and government funding should be given priority
to gigabit pure fibre optic companies delivering minimum 1gbit FTTP
symmetric DSL services capped at 50 pounds retail, noting the average
service provider is able to deliver it at under £30 per month.
All tax payer funding to the likes of Bhttee and VM should be stopped
immediately in favour of pure fibre companies.
The market is expected to be dominated by fibre
companies installing fibre in 1 meter shallow dug plastic pipes
as they don't carry electric cables which would otherwise require
deeper tunnels and stronger ducts causing extensive disruption.
Cumpanies like Bhtee and VM that use less than 1% of the internet
with their telephony and teevee data would become the 1% customers
of the new fibre companies.
Local councils and regulators should pressure Bhtee and VM to remove all
their unnecessary copper from their ducts with incentives such as fines
and sell it for scrap and recycling, and switch to using pure fibre
providers to deliver their services to UK customers.